GOPI KRISHNA INTERVIEW
WITH JOHN WHITE

Gopi Krishna Iinterview with the American writer, John White, in Zurich, Switzerland, in 1976.

J.W. Pandit, you say we have no knowledge of these forces and operations. I presume you mean knowledge from the level of intellect. But in The Shape of Events to Come, your prognosis of human events comes from a higher level of awareness and therefore we do have knowledge from the transhuman superconscious state. Would you explain that, please.

G.K. You see, taking into account the general atmosphere, I mean the mental atmosphere prevailing at present-revelation, inspiration, intuition and all things-all paranormal channels of knowledge are not accepted by all as a valued source of information for human beings. There is so much confusion of views, and so much display of materialistic tendencies, that they do not receive the amount of recognition that they should. For instance, let us take the case of revelation of our scriptural teachings. A great crisis has come about which threatens even the survival of the race. And if we turn now to the scriptural knowledge we find that the warnings are there. That if we depart from the prescribed path of life then natural calamities or the anger of God follows. But we never take it seriously. It is for this reason that I said we have no generally accepted knowledge of these paranormal channels of information and the research on Kundalini by scientific methods is expected to create that awareness, on a very rational and scientific footing.

As I was saying, that there are devices and forces in the human consciousness which can react on such occasions. We are very well aware that strange group instincts regulate the behavior of ants, bees and many other forms of herd animals-monkeys, elephants-there are powerful instincts in the individual members of the group, but also collective instincts by which they behave in a certain way and in a certain manner under crisis or under certain eventualities. They have those ingrained instinctually-safeguards built in them. Does it not stand to reason that the collective consciousness of the race or the group consciousness of humanity must also have some sort of safeguards built in it to see that the race ascends the path of evolution without ever annihilating herself or without ever going the path of degeneration with no return. There are such and they have come into operation at different times in the history of mankind.

The difficulty is that the laboratory is so vast and the time through which man has to live and to act is so colossal and the position is so complex-all the four billion people think in their own way that it is not possible for the intellect to gather this information.

It is only intuition, that without the aid of reason or the intellect can place its finger at the right information. And it is this, that in a crisis like this, certain warning signs, certain strange states of mind occur among the individuals. And we see there is enough evidence for it. There are millions of people who have a terror of the coming war. There are millions of people who are after a new age. There are millions of people who are after enlightenment. There are millions of people who have again turned religious. Even in the communist countries there is also an urge for knowledge of paranormal forces. So you see, already in the human mind there is a ferment as if something unusual is to happen or as if we are in a situation which needs some kind of an outlet to ease it. You can trace all the present day deep search for spiritual knowledge also to this ferment caused by the collective consciousness of the race. There is a subconscious fear everywhere of impending calamities and as you know, many clairvoyants and psychics, they are also foretelling that something will happen, something will happen, something will happen, to warn mankind that the situation calls for care and attention.

It does not happen that a voice would speak from the skies or that there would be a warning written across the firmament but it happens by reaction on the human mind and we have enough evidence to show that the minds of people are disturbed. They are not happy with the present situation. They instinctively feel that something might happen, something is about to happen. Now what I am saying, and what has been revealed to me, is not what the intellect would presume. For instance, consider the nuclear weapons and the present political situation of the world. We would suppose that a war would annihilate all mankind or at least destroy a large part of the populations. What is revealed to me is that natural events will coincide in such a way with our preparations for war or our actual conflicts as to minimize the destruction. It may be, considering the whole bulk of humanity, only a superficial injury. It will not be a fatal injury. It will not be even a grave wound. But it will be enough to turn men from their present course.

How this would occur, what things would take place, what events would befall, I cannot say. I can only say this much, that even in the next two decades, the next twenty years, there will occur natural events and also events on the human plane which would divert the attention of mankind towards a new way of life and by the beginning of the next century, the world will be no longer divided but there will be one world confederacy ruling over mankind. This is absolutely necessary because of the demands of evolution. At the present moment, the way of life is distorting the human mind. You see, the more we evolve, the more sensitive becomes the human system. It has been a fallacious thing to suppose that Yoga or search for God hardens the system. It doesn't make it more brutal, more crude, more hard. It makes it more sensitive, more loving, more perceptive. It may be able to endure cold and heat and privations and other things but, on the whole, the change is towards a more delicate and a more perceptive instrument. And as we see, compare human beings to animals. Animals eat one kind of food, live amongst the worst possible environments, have no idea of sanitation or anything and still go on living but human beings need a certain very different environment to live and thrive. And, you see, the more the civilization, the better the environment, I mean hygienically and physically.

Effort is made to create a very easy, convenient and hygienic environment for the human beings to live. Now the superman would need even a better ordered environment. An enlightened person needs more care in his environment and in his needs and in the demands of his body and the attention to it. So what I mean to say is this, that these devices in the human collective consciousness, when face to face with a crisis of this nature, would create among the more sensitive minds certain symptoms and signs-fears, anxieties, urges and appetites which would be of a measure that would like the present environment to be changed.

In fact, the present revolt of youth in many countries of the world springs also from this urge. It is not only the generation gap, it is not only that this generation has now to change totally from the older generation-we did not see such a drastic change in the older generations. There was a change but much less than has occurred now. And why? Because mankind has taken a great leap forward in evolution, on account of the amenities provided by science and with this great leap forward, a different environment and a different social order is absolutely necessary. If, now, this environment and this social order is not provided, then this leap, which cannot be retraced-you do not have an evolved human being then going back again to the animal level-he will degenerate, and end. But the station once achieved by evolution is not then discarded. Then, he will degenerate and end. He is discarded-rejected by the evolutionary forces. Now this nation, this group, this man has ceased to follow the rules of evolution so he is rejected.

This happened in the whole history of evolution. The species that could not survive were rejected, thrown out and they died. They ended. Similarly, the case with men. If, at a certain level of evolution, they are not able to proceed forward then the reaction is that they are degenerated and then they end themselves. They no longer evolve. They are then as a backwards species now, as backward human beings. And this has happened throughout. One nation went forward, then failed to maintain the pace, another nation came forward, threw it back and subjugated it, and for some time exploited it.

We have the same phenomenon going on even at this time. If, now mankind does not become aware of the needs of the evolutionary progress that she is maintaining at present, on the one hand and on the other hand, rejects the scriptural directions, then this collective consciousness of the race will come into operation. And, already, men who have to take a decisive role in the forthcoming disastrous war have been born, with the mental equipment that will allow them to gain the place of precedence-the place of power-that will result in the ferment about which I am speaking. But at the same time, natural powers will also come into operation not to allow the damage to exceed a certain level, because it is a planned creation. It is a designed creation. Only the actors, the places of action, and the time in which the drama is played, they are all so colossal and stupendous that we cannot see the links-we cannot understand the purpose because we are living behind a curtain. For instance, at the present moment, those men who have to play a decisive role in the coming slaughter, or in the coming wars, are already among us, at a young age. They are already, as in the French revolution or in the Russian revolution or in the German revolution-recent revolutions-everything that happened had a purpose behind it. But it is such a vast purpose, and the whole cosmos is involved in it, that we cannot try to rationalize it-to look at it from an intellectual point of view. We have to accept it as something which is beyond our intellectual power. But from an intuitional point of view, it is obvious that there will occur events, catastrophes, geophysical events, and wars, that will, within the course of these twenty years, turn mankind in another direction from the direction she is pursuing at present.

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Written by: Gopi Krishna

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